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hi guys , as a new photoshopper keen to do some freelance work , im starting to build a bit of a portfolio , i see there seems to be a concern of work being done ie the guardrite logo

would it be possible for mods to request a 20 dollar deposit for work being done , the deposit if any work done is not accepted could be given to one of the artists who have submitted an image through a vote

maybe vote on one image but you cant vote on your own image , just an idea

any threads could easily be locked and images sent to mods , maybe give a certain time where images can be sent via email then posted in one go for the op to look at

i see the reason for watermarks although they are still easily removed or the image idea copied so a deposit makes sense
 
Usually the contract is worked out with the freelancer and client.I seriouly think PSG would rather stay out of that aspect of dealings..(unless they get the contract)..... If you want a deposit,I suggest you take it up with the client. To get Mods involved is probably not a good idea......Some mods here are freelancers themselves I prefer my cookie jar closed till I open it. lol .just saying! just my 2 cents
 
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Also, not sure what financial implications with tax and what not this would cause.
 
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I have to agree egosbar with both of the above comments. But we are considering adding a new "rule" -- god, I hate rules! -- and I would recommend making it the very first one, that an OP must respond in the thread that he/she has chosen a freelancer to complete, has completed the job, or is not accepting any of the ideas put forth.
 
Somethng has to be done about this, so many hours I have spent working on designs, some the OPs really like, and yet they disappear. I know this has happened to a lot of other designers too, it's really not on.
 
This is why I'm always reluctant to design a logo for someone who knows how to use photoshop.
You know that when you let them see it (with watermark) they are easily replicated.
So all they need from you is the idea and then run off without a payment.
 
gohan2091 said:
Somethng has to be done about this, so many hours I have spent working on designs, some the OPs really like, and yet they disappear. I know this has happened to a lot of other designers too, it's really not on.
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Trials and tribulations of trying to make a little bit of side cash on the web especially in the graphics. Short of demanding cash up front before any work is started and risking losing the client there is not much hope for little guy. Occasionally you find a client that is shooting straight and not out to rip anybody off. sadly there are more ripoffs than straight shooters looking for things on the web.
Who can blame them really, if it's there for free with a few clicks and a few keys pushed.Doesn't make it right but "IT IS WHAT IT IS WELL, THAT'S MY PERSPECTIVE FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH:neutral:
 
The thing is, this is a learning board for the lack of a better description. if you look at PSG's FrontPage they provide the services that are usually on the forums here .so anyone that really wants to make real good money needs to learn how to market themselves and their space on the web (that's an aspect i really suck at), so i'll never get rich from web, but I get pretty good runs now and then.... I guess what I'm saying is third-party involvement when it comes to money is usually never a good idea. I wouldn't give a different lawyer a deposit for another lawyers work ....... if that makes sense
 
gohan2091 said:
Somethng has to be done about this, so many hours I have spent working on designs, some the OPs really like, and yet they disappear. I know this has happened to a lot of other designers too, it's really not on.
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Then that's the chance you or any freelancer takes when submitting work for money, the whole idea of 'paying up front' will only push clients away in my opinion.
This is why the whole watermark issue began in the first place, it protects your 'hours of work' and also goes a long way to showing other members that the site is doing what it can to protect your work, before you get paid.
This is also why (my personal opinion) there should be no PM'd approaches (only if OP insists) all to view all above board and fully watermarked on the boards.
 
Watermarks and posting images on a thread rather than PM/email does nothing to prevent this. It happens far too many times. If someone posts a thread stating they will pay x amount of money for a design, then surely that person would also be prepared to pay to a trusted Photoshop Guru member beforehand. At least I would anyway.
 
I said in my opinion, and i stand by it.
As for, 'It happens far too many times', Have any of the freelancers reported this or made it clear to moderators or admin, because i have never been informed of none payment after images have been released to the client.

I don't think the 'site' would want to walk that route (again - my thoughts) Payments are between client and freelancer, the better the watermark the less chance of NOT being paid, a wishy washy watermark only gives the OP the freedom to go somewhere else and get it removed, or even do it themselves, ergo not paying for works submitted.

 
When I read a post "looking for a logo ideas" that usually tells me there looking for ideas not looking to spend money for somebody to do it........
 
I only release watermark images to the client, I never hand over an unwatermarked image without payment. What I am concerned about is the number of clients who are active at the start, ask for designs from members here and then don't reply. It's a waste of everyones time. I accept this can happen from time to time. I don't report it because it's clear from the threads themselves after so many entery designs whether a client is active or not. If I thought reporting it would do anything, I would but what can you do? If the client doesn't show, what can be done? Nothing in my opinion.
 
I know this is not a fix, but we are addressing this problem from one approach. But there is no way to eliminate this behaviour. When you don't meet eye to eye with a client, f2f, it is really hard to control. Even with f2f clients, there is no guarantee that a complete financial agreement will be honored but the chance are much better . . . apparently.

Here is a sstatement we hve added to the Posting Guidelines Thread, titled "important." http://www.photoshopgurus.com/forum...nce-job-please-read-first.html#post1533606508
 
Trust and reaching for the extra dollar go hand in hand, or cap in hand.
 
It's all probably true. Well, we have evidence that it is in many cases. Ripoffs and cons abound on the web. I suppose it could be asked that the client put a deposit in an "escrow account" but I am not sure how that could be handled without involving forum admin more than is practical or would even be tolerated. As stated by iDad, freelance was never the point of the forum and the earlier owners did not have it as an option. It is fraught with problems such as this, but not this alone -- as you who have been doing this awhile know.

Personally, I like the idea of an escrow account but I don't know of third party groups who do this, though I imagine they exist (for more than just real estate transactions). Of course, that would cost money and the fees on this forum are rarely enough to justify much of an outside fee. Well, I suppose it could be worth considering, but we already have so many rules that one like this might be the breaking point, considered onerous by some serious clients. But maybe not. If I am serious about having work done . . . Plus, if the client is n ot happy with any options there could be a way to refund to him/her. But see, even that would have to be controlled somehow or the client could steal the idea and get their money back. Groan. "Ideas" . . .
 
iDad said:
Usually the contract is worked out with the freelancer and client.I seriouly think PSG would rather stay out of that aspect of dealings..(unless they get the contract)..... If you want a deposit,I suggest you take it up with the client. To get Mods involved is probably not a good idea......Some mods here are freelancers themselves I prefer my cookie jar closed till I open it. lol .just saying! just my 2 cents
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iDad is right, PSG prefers to stay out of the way, we're trying to introduce clients and artists and that's it.
What we are doing is requiring freelancers have been here at least 30 days and have 30 posts.
The point of that is so people don't just hit the site when a job is available and steal work from you guys.

We also require a watermark so you're not giving your work away for free, cheating yourself and the rest of the Freelancers and in spite of that we repeatedly need to tell freelancers to add or beef up their watermarks.

"If I had a dollar for every time ..........,"

gohan2091 said:
Somethng has to be done about this, so many hours I have spent working on designs, some the OPs really like, and yet they disappear. I know this has happened to a lot of other designers too, it's really not on.
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It's up to you guys to keep posting images to unresponsive OP's or not.
It's also up to you guys how may revisions you're willing to do for the price posted.

What we ARE going to do is lock threads when the OP hasn't responded for at least 3 days.
We'll open the thread again if the OP requests it.

chrisix said:
This is why I'm always reluctant to design a logo for someone who knows how to use photoshop.
You know that when you let them see it (with watermark) they are easily replicated.
So all they need from you is the idea and then run off without a payment.
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That's between you and the client.
You work your best deal.
Simple logos are a problem, it's easier to duplicate them than to remove the Watermark.

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PSG is just acting like a dating service here and we're doing everything we can think of to help and protect our members and the OP but in the end it's up to you guys to do the smart thing, protect yourselves, and decide the best way make your own deal with the client.
 
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