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rhstanley3
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yea... ok, so everyone has said it already, it depends on your budget. No matter what, a PC is generally going to be cheaper than a mac. Also, if you were to choose between a PC and a mac at the same price-range, the PC is more likely to be of higher quality... You're also going to want something with good RAM, preferably 4 gigabytes and higher. A large hard drive is definitely a plus, especially once you start using large files. I recomend getting a large built in drive, as there are some downfalls to external hard drives, such as they go bad much faster than a built in hard drive. The reasons are numerous, such as an external hard drive that plugs into a wall never turns off, so they're on at least two times longer than other hard drives. If you're dead set on getting an external hard drive, then I suggest putting considerable research into them before you get one. Note that solid state drives are much more reliable than a moving disk drive, but are more expensive. Further more, a desktop computer will be cheaper than a laptop computer and more powerful for cheaper, but like everyone already said, the more powerful desktop will sacrifice the portability of a laptop. So, for me, I personally like the PC's better than Macs, because, gennerally, they're cheaper for the same specs, but as some people already commented, the Mac's don't get viruses... But the question that no one ever seems to ask is WHY Macs never get viruses. This question is asked as often as, well, as often as Macs get viruses. The reason is quite simple. The hate-filled (place profanities here) virus-creating populace usually only create viruses for PC's because PC's are much more widely used than Macs, and the reason why a mac won't get a virus from the same, say, website as a PC is simply because the two systems aren't compatible. So... this might sound like I'm trying to bring up a software war, but this whole last part has a point. The point is that the majority of viruses are for PCs for a reason, and that reason is the majority of people use PC's. And that means that Macs, which are less-used aren't exactly compatible with PC's, might cause compatibility problems between the two operating systems. And yes, photoshop files between the two operating systems aren't compatible without some tinkering with the file. I know, because my dad is a freelancer with a company that uses macs. As a side note, if you do happen to get a virus on your mac, it's almost garanteed to be a nasty virus that will put your computer into the trash bin, as there's no antivirus for macs, as they haven't bothered to make one for said reasons above. So, I guess what I'm saying is look into it, and if you go with mac, be ready to spend more money for less along with possible compatibility issues, or you can go with a less for more PC with possibility of viruses, and of course, the smaller possibility of compatibility issues. Of course, you will be pretty much immune to viruses with a PC with a good antivirus and some good 'ol common sense. And PC's don't exactly have to deal with the colorful wheel of death, if you know what I'm talking about. I could talk some more about this stuff, and there's definitely things i didn't talk about that other members did, such as hardware restrictions between the operating systems and software versions. Like everything, each has their ups and downs, and i could talk about it until i'm blue in the face, but I'll assume thats all you'll want to hear out of me 
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Dezigns Unlimited
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You hit the nail on the head my friend!! With the exception of a drive by i don't get viruses nor do i use virus scanners. They are a false sense of security imho..
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yea... ok, so everyone has said it already, it depends on your budget. No matter what, a PC is generally going to be cheaper than a mac. Also, if you were to choose between a PC and a mac at the same price-range, the PC is more likely to be of higher quality... You're also going to want something with good RAM, preferably 4 gigabytes and higher. A large hard drive is definitely a plus, especially once you start using large files. I recomend getting a large built in drive, as there are some downfalls to external hard drives, such as they go bad much faster than a built in hard drive. The reasons are numerous, such as an external hard drive that plugs into a wall never turns off, so they're on at least two times longer than other hard drives. If you're dead set on getting an external hard drive, then I suggest putting considerable research into them before you get one. Note that solid state drives are much more reliable than a moving disk drive, but are more expensive. Further more, a desktop computer will be cheaper than a laptop computer and more powerful for cheaper, but like everyone already said, the more powerful desktop will sacrifice the portability of a laptop. So, for me, I personally like the PC's better than Macs, because, gennerally, they're cheaper for the same specs, but as some people already commented, the Mac's don't get viruses... But the question that no one ever seems to ask is WHY Macs never get viruses. This question is asked as often as, well, as often as Macs get viruses. The reason is quite simple. The hate-filled (place profanities here) virus-creating populace usually only create viruses for PC's because PC's are much more widely used than Macs, and the reason why a mac won't get a virus from the same, say, website as a PC is simply because the two systems aren't compatible. So... this might sound like I'm trying to bring up a software war, but this whole last part has a point. The point is that the majority of viruses are for PCs for a reason, and that reason is the majority of people use PC's. And that means that Macs, which are less-used aren't exactly compatible with PC's, might cause compatibility problems between the two operating systems. And yes, photoshop files between the two operating systems aren't compatible without some tinkering with the file. I know, because my dad is a freelancer with a company that uses macs. As a side note, if you do happen to get a virus on your mac, it's almost garanteed to be a nasty virus that will put your computer into the trash bin, as there's no antivirus for macs, as they haven't bothered to make one for said reasons above. So, I guess what I'm saying is look into it, and if you go with mac, be ready to spend more money for less along with possible compatibility issues, or you can go with a less for more PC with possibility of viruses, and of course, the smaller possibility of compatibility issues. Of course, you will be pretty much immune to viruses with a PC with a good antivirus and some good 'ol common sense. And PC's don't exactly have to deal with the colorful wheel of death, if you know what I'm talking about. I could talk some more about this stuff, and there's definitely things i didn't talk about that other members did, such as hardware restrictions between the operating systems and software versions. Like everything, each has their ups and downs, and i could talk about it until i'm blue in the face, but I'll assume thats all you'll want to hear out of me
you have some interesting points there, but I do have to state, that the main reason for PC getting more viruses vs Mac's isn't because as the coding and incompatability, it's just because there are a lot more PCs out there than Mac's, let me give you an idea as to what I mean:
Why would you try and get clean water pumped to the sahara desert (Macs) when there are loads more places like Africa what need clean water (PCs,) there is no real pont to getting clean water pumped to the sahara desert, as there are a lot more people that need clean water in other places.
As for no Anti Virus software for Macs you are a tad wrong on this, here is a google search for "antivirus for mac" and here it is:
As you'll see there arn't that many around, but there are still some, but the question as to wether you should run one on a Mac well that diffrernt.
If anyone need help with a PC I am always wiling to try and help, asw I know quite a lot, (but not as much as some) so feel free to post and ask questions
Dezigns Unlimited
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No, the reason MACs don't get viruses is because most viruses are coded for windows and most hackers will not take the time to cross platform a virus.. No if ands or buts about it..
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hackers, interesting use of the word, I think you mean crackers, and yes they will cross platform Viruses, and it's been done before, but as I have said many time, windows gets viruses more than OS in cos there are more computers out there that run windows.
Also most ov the Viruses out there are a variasion on an original virus, and most of therm are done by "Script Kiddys" that think they know when they don't, also you have to look at what kind of virus you are wanting to make, a "Boot Sector viruses" will be harder to make on a Mac as the coding for said MBR is different than a PC MBR.
then you have these are well:
Multipartite viruses
Polymorphic viruses
Macro Viruses
Each have they own style of infection and running operations, and as most of them use programs, and code made for a PC, they are alot easyer to use on a windows box, I could link to 10 sites that let you download tools to make a virus in 5 min, but these are for windows, as most people out there only learn the programing coed for windows boxes, as this is the most used OS out there.
I think some people need to look in to what can and can't be done, and should also not state that Mac Don't get viruses, as they do get them,
take a look at this link to see whats kind of Mac viruses are out there:
http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Mac-Virus---A-Brief-History&id=4174801
Also most ov the Viruses out there are a variasion on an original virus, and most of therm are done by "Script Kiddys" that think they know when they don't, also you have to look at what kind of virus you are wanting to make, a "Boot Sector viruses" will be harder to make on a Mac as the coding for said MBR is different than a PC MBR.
then you have these are well:
Multipartite viruses
Polymorphic viruses
Macro Viruses
Each have they own style of infection and running operations, and as most of them use programs, and code made for a PC, they are alot easyer to use on a windows box, I could link to 10 sites that let you download tools to make a virus in 5 min, but these are for windows, as most people out there only learn the programing coed for windows boxes, as this is the most used OS out there.
I think some people need to look in to what can and can't be done, and should also not state that Mac Don't get viruses, as they do get them,
take a look at this link to see whats kind of Mac viruses are out there:
http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Mac-Virus---A-Brief-History&id=4174801
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Dezigns Unlimited
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Your still not getting it but o well. And no i do not mean crackers, i used to sit and run NCC logins and crack accounts on yahoo, camfrog, myspace and several other types of logins all day everyday for 5 years. I know the difference in a cracker and a hacker. Most scripts and viruses ran these days are to infiltrate your pc and get valuable info, that would hacking not cracking??
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what am I not getting, I would like to understand, as understanding make it better for people to form a good and clean bebate,
As for Haker and cracker, a hacker lreans how to make things better than it already is, and a cracker learns how to destory things:
In order to understand the methodology of a hacker or cracker, one must understand what a hacker or a cracker is. Internet enthusiasts have argued the difference between hackers and crackers for many years.
To define the terms hacker and cracker, my bottom line would probably be this:
- A hacker is a person intensely interested in the arcane and recondite workings of any computer operating system. Hackers are most often programmers. As such, hackers obtain advanced knowledge of operating systems and programming languages. They might discover holes within systems and the reasons for such holes. Hackers constantly seek further knowledge, freely share what they have discovered, and never, ever intentionally damage data.
- A cracker is one who breaks into or otherwise violates the system integrity of remote machines with malicious intent. Having gained unauthorized access, crackers destroy vital data, deny legitimate users service, or cause problems for their targets. Crackers can easily be identified because their actions are malicious.
But please explain to me what I am missing when you say I don't get it
As for Haker and cracker, a hacker lreans how to make things better than it already is, and a cracker learns how to destory things:
In order to understand the methodology of a hacker or cracker, one must understand what a hacker or a cracker is. Internet enthusiasts have argued the difference between hackers and crackers for many years.
To define the terms hacker and cracker, my bottom line would probably be this:
- A hacker is a person intensely interested in the arcane and recondite workings of any computer operating system. Hackers are most often programmers. As such, hackers obtain advanced knowledge of operating systems and programming languages. They might discover holes within systems and the reasons for such holes. Hackers constantly seek further knowledge, freely share what they have discovered, and never, ever intentionally damage data.
- A cracker is one who breaks into or otherwise violates the system integrity of remote machines with malicious intent. Having gained unauthorized access, crackers destroy vital data, deny legitimate users service, or cause problems for their targets. Crackers can easily be identified because their actions are malicious.
But please explain to me what I am missing when you say I don't get it
Dezigns Unlimited
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Then of course you have the Black Hat hackers. I been doing this stuff since 1996, trust me i know what the hell im talking about. no reason to debate it either. discussion on hacking = /end.true
Back on topic now. My buddy Norm sent me this and i can not stop laughing!! Please do read and watch the video!!
One thing PC users can do that Mac users can't...
Back on topic now. My buddy Norm sent me this and i can not stop laughing!! Please do read and watch the video!!
One thing PC users can do that Mac users can't...
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and of course, black hat hackers, would come under a cracker heading, but like you said you you know what the hell your talking about, this leads me to believe, if in fact you have been doing this kind of thing since 1996, you wouldn't need to prove it, after all your work should be out there for all to see, maybe I shou8ld call you a scrip kiddy, but if you really want to te the topic back on track, then we need to go back to the OP, whitch was about specs for a computer to run CS5
Also if you know what the hell your talking about then you know that iof you haven't done anything in the past 6 mounths then what you know is not outdated, as security is always changing, back in the day of windows 95 all you had to do was click on the cancle button on the login screen and you got root accses, in windows XP and Vista all you needed to do was change the accses exe file, to run CMD and you could get root in 2 min, and this could be done by sending a bat file, to show as IE, then auto delete it's self after it's done.
and as we are on about MAc vs PC, when Itunes first came out on windows, the iTunes End User License Agreement, stated in the windows version, that "this software in not to be installed on a windows operating system" even tho it's made for windows interesting would you say?
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and to tell the truth, most viruses are made to target professionals, but then get addapted to home users as well, and if I remember corectly, only 20% of them are through website, most of them you get in emails, sent on from your friends.
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now is one of those times im glad i dont use my E-Mail lol i didnt know that stat. Just cleared a bunch of viruses off my girlfriends family computer, kinda an awkward conversation to tell her dad to not look up so much porn to avoid the viruses lol.
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lol. @KRF Yea, I understand the whole reason why viruses are much less common on macs than they are on PC's. In fact, i think I even said what you said, except that I didn't get into the down-n-dirty specifics of why... I wrote that post twice, and the first time it was longer. then I read what people wrote and I deleted a bunch of stuff... notice if you go back and read my post i refer to "what others have already said"
Btw, I understand that you're from across the pond. I mention this because I just wanna bring up a quick little tidbit that you and Kev might have forgotten... being in different countries, we use the same words for different things, right? If I remember correctly, in England they call french fries chips. And here in the US we call chips what i think you call taters... i don't remember, last time I was in England I was 12 I don't think it's occured to either of you that maybe because we both live in different countries, with different slang/word usage, maybe the definition for most in the US is different than that of people in the UK. My point is that it probably hasn't dawned on either of you that you might be talking about the same thing and different things at the same time. You know what I mean? Sometimes I have a heard time vocalizing what it is I want to say And on the topic of Macs vs. PC i can get pretty darn vocal, but I usually try to control myself :/ I look at the Mac v PC issue like i look at headphones...brands like Bose or skull candy, imho, can burn. Sennheiser, a German brand, is (also in my opinion) much higher in quality, and cheaper than Bose. As a matter of fact, I'm listening to The Wall with said headphones as I am writing this. Best the band has ever sounded Maybe we should start a thread for __________ Vs ___________ D:
To get back on track, email can be the bane of computers :/ people can be quite moronic with computers... my Uncle works in a company that sells websites, and he's part of technical support. He'll often have people calling him with usage problems, and when he instructs them to take their mouse and open a folder, the customer will reply "What's a mouse?" in genuine curiosity. Anyways, w/e happened to the OP?
Btw, I understand that you're from across the pond. I mention this because I just wanna bring up a quick little tidbit that you and Kev might have forgotten... being in different countries, we use the same words for different things, right? If I remember correctly, in England they call french fries chips. And here in the US we call chips what i think you call taters... i don't remember, last time I was in England I was 12
I don't think it's occured to either of you that maybe because we both live in different countries, with different slang/word usage, maybe the definition for most in the US is different than that of people in the UK. My point is that it probably hasn't dawned on either of you that you might be talking about the same thing and different things at the same time. You know what I mean? Sometimes I have a heard time vocalizing what it is I want to say And on the topic of Macs vs. PC i can get pretty darn vocal, but I usually try to control myself :/ I look at the Mac v PC issue like i look at headphones...brands like Bose or skull candy, imho, can burn. Sennheiser, a German brand, is (also in my opinion) much higher in quality, and cheaper than Bose. As a matter of fact, I'm listening to The Wall with said headphones as I am writing this. Best the band has ever sounded Maybe we should start a thread for __________ Vs ___________ D:To get back on track, email can be the bane of computers :/ people can be quite moronic with computers... my Uncle works in a company that sells websites, and he's part of technical support. He'll often have people calling him with usage problems, and when he instructs them to take their mouse and open a folder, the customer will reply "What's a mouse?" in genuine curiosity. Anyways, w/e happened to the OP?
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Lmao!!!
...wiseazz!
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Dezigns, u made my day xD
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At work we use Mac Pro's...but I do same caliber work at home on a Mini with 23" monitor. I also have a MacBook which is nice for mobility but seriously...no way you can calibrate it for any length of time.
How do you guys feel about running a RAID HD? I am about to make a home computer purchase to run PS and am Considering a RAID verses single HD. I am running a RAID in my work computer (older Dimension with 3-Gig ram) and it at times seems to run PS faster than my co workers i7 8-Gig, perhaps this is because of the RAID HD?