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manipulation -- More Shall be Revealed


ibclare

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My recent composition. I haven't made one in months, so it was pleasant to sit back (or forward) and do this. It's at half resolution to the original. If anything, it was hardest to choose among so many great stock images. As I often do, I went to faestock's gallery.

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Pictures Sources:

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Credits:

Background: Blarney from faestock@deviantarts.com

Models: Sybil 5 & 9 also from faestock

Sky: by Larry Rebich; Roosevelt Lake (AZ, US), 2009

Horse: by W. Olfie @ bbs.evony.com (couldn't find the img or author but that was what the pic was captioned)

Unicorn HOrn: retrieved from a mountain goat, courtesy of WA state (US) Department of Fish & WIldlife

Gazing Ball found on Etsy.com

Any feedback is appreciated.
 

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Really nice Clare..

Your stock choice is spot on as always (Loving Faestock lol). Blending is great so is the colour correction.

Only thing is, not you. But the angle of the castle stock going down hill is slightly eye catching and throwing it off a bit.

Great to see you do another one of these.

PS soft brush the bottom of the uni horn too :thumbsup:
 
Very nice ! These are not my thing as you know, but I love the look. Bet their bare feet hurt on those rocks..mine would:cheesygrin:
 
Thanks Larry. Well, there is some grass, but it's coarse I'm sure till they get to the bottom! Maybe that's why the lower one is moving so fast, lol.
 
Really nice Clare..

Your stock choice is spot on as always (Loving Faestock lol). Blending is great so is the colour correction.

Only thing is, not you. But the angle of the castle stock going down hill is slightly eye catching and throwing it off a bit.

Great to see you do another one of these.

PS soft brush the bottom of the uni horn too :thumbsup:

Yowza Inkz, I missed the angle of the castle. I think I could fix that . . . maybe. This is the kind of thing that makes these take a long time to finish. Already I work too slowly. Have about 10 hours in it I think.

I'm not sure what you mean by soft brushing the horn. It needs to blend more softly? Mask it and blend it into the hair more?

Thanks for the support, both of you. I will take a closer look. Maybe not too close or it will be another 10 hours . . . you know how that goes! At least my "dry spell" seems to be over. :]
 
Yeah just mask it and dab the bottom of the horn with a soft brush just to lose that hard line.

Tip top though. :thumbsup:
 
They probably Southern girls, barefoot and pregnant all the time. Got tough feet!:bustagut:
Thanks Larry. Well, there is some grass, but it's coarse I'm sure till they get to the bottom! Maybe that's why the lower one is moving so fast, lol.
 
Not bad Clare. Only thing that through me off was the unicorn horn, always thought those were straight not curved lol. Seriously though I like it.
 
Nice colours to be had, but every element you have added just stands out for me sorry, what i mean is nothing you have added looks as if it is actually there.
Like i said great mood set via colour choices though.
 
Lighting on the girls is all wrong sky is dark,castle is dark, and they glow, are they meant to be as a ghost?
 
@ Hershy, yeah, that is true I think. Though have you ever seen a unicorn? I think maybe I'll just make one which I intended to do in the first place.

Nice colours to be had, but every element you have added just stands out for me sorry, what i mean is nothing you have added looks as if it is actually there.
Like i said great mood set via colour choices though.

I am not sure what you mean by "not actually there." They don't seem anchored down? They don't look related? They seem out of place? D: all of the above! But thank you for liking the colors! I have more work to do on this for sure. If you explain what you mean, maybe I can bring it more to that reality. But perhaps you don't really like this kind of fantasy?

@ iDad. Thanks for your comments. I'll put them in the mix. However, I do like dark; must be my dark heart. :twisted:
 
I mean pasted on/stuck on/added, does that help you any better?
As for liking 'this kind of fantasy'? I like all types of photoshop you should know that, i just stated my observations - i shall refrain from such actions in future.
 
I think the image is confusing and pointless.What i mean is, all the stocks are great and u did a great job trying to fit them in your image, but there is nothing for the eye to focus on :neutral:. Paul made a great point and i have to agree with him.
 
Hi Clare - I think some of the same things that Paul and iDad pointed out also bother me. Here's how I would describe the problems:

1. The resolution of the unicorn and the girls is higher than the rez of the castle. In fact, to me, the castle stock is so rough looking, I suspect it was up-rez'ed from a lower resolution original.

When viewed at full rez, this resolution mismatch is obvious -- however, when viewed at lower rez, it gives a subliminal impression that something is wrong, but u can't immediately put your finger on it.

2. As iDad pointed out, the lighting on the girls doesn't match the overall lighting: it's too sharp edged, too directional, and the wrong color.

3. I can see how your overall colors are appealing, but, to my eye it's a bit too overcooked towards blue-magenta.

FWIW, I played with your image a bit, trying to suggest a direction to go. For example, to address the resolution mismatch, I selected out the girls and the unicorn, down-rez'ed them by 2x, and then up-rez'ed them by 2x to get back to their original size but a bit softened and rough looking. IMHO, at least this gives everything roughly the same look w.r.t. sharpness, removes some of the unusually sharp edges from them, etc.

WRT the lighting on the girls, I softened it, added some broad shadowing, and tried to remove a lot of the pink cast on them -- there has to be quite a bit of blue-green light bouncing around a scene like this. I also darkened them, but may have gone too far in this direction, especially on the lower girl.

Another change was that I added a touch of "Glamor Glow" to the whole image. This is an old favorite trick of mine that usually helps blend elements together and adds a bit more drama to the lighting.

Finally, I felt it looked better with a dark border.

It's quite different from yours, but I'll be interested to see what you think. You won't see much difference when comparing the in-line previews, but the changes are more obvious when inspecting them at full rez.

BTW, IMHO, there are also some compositional choices that you may also want to consider:

1. IMHO, unless there is a good reason, I don't usually like people and animals looking in the direction of the nearest edge. For example, the unicorn looks like he couldn't care less about the girls or whatever's going on, and the upper girl is dying to get home with her prize orb. LOL. I think I would prefer the unicorn pointing to the right and the upper girl pointing to the left. I know this would wreak havoc with the current lighting if you just flipped these pieces, but you might want to think about this.

2. I know this is kinda silly, but I keep wondering about the lower girl. It looks like her next step is going to give her problems. It looks like her only choice is to take an unrealistically big step down, and this gets back to the question about the implied story line -- what exactly is going on here?

Anyway, as you know, I'm not a fantasy composite sort of guy, so I suggest u take my comments with the largest grain of salt u can find.

Cheers,

Tom
 

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Eh, what the heck -- maybe even brighter, less deep shadows, whiter dresses, and even less of the overall blue, simulated night-time color cast ... although I predict Clare won't like it at all cuz' it's so different from her concept, but what the heck? We're batting around ideas among friends, right?

T

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- i shall refrain from such actions in future.

Please don't Paul. I was just thinking that maybe this had something to do with it. I understand your criticism now. We don't always make it clear to each other, you and I, what we're trying to communicate! So speaking of "you knows," you know, lol.
 
Tom, you're actually not correct that I wouldn't like it. I do. In fact, I made it in three different light and color versions; one, the first is almost exactly the same as yours, except I did not whiten the dresses and the horse did not have quite as much almost blown-out area. I simply added a couple different layers of blue to cast that hue overall. Anyway, thank you for the suggestions!

By the by, you're right about the castle being up-res'd. However, I might move the unicorn and the gazing ball closer together, but not the direction the horse is facing. Maybe I meant him to look the other way. And he is not looking at the edge, only his body is turned that direction.

But thanks for working on it. I will too.
 
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It doesn't really look like you blending. From what I see you just masked out the stocks, and put them on the background. Everything seems to stand out way too much. Also, I'm not really sure why you put two of the same girl ... ? Nevertheless, good effort, just blend and fix some things and you can be golden. Thanks for sharing, Clare. :)
 
Thanks honky-tonk. I really did think they blended OK, but I added some grass in front, back and around the feet so they don't seem placed on top so much. I missed that or forgot it, as there were so many things to attend to. I actually did make some changes to their color and levels, but perhaps they are too bright for their surroundings. I'll give fixing that a shot. I've also added grass around the gazing ball, and moved both the unicorn and the ball more to the center.

I have used two of the same girl before. It is to show them in different positions is all. Irrational to regular time but everything is relative, right? LOL.

I'm trying to take all the critiques seriously and make alterations, but some things I personally like as they are, so I won't be changing those. Maybe Tom doesn't realize how agile this girl is! That final leap is simply a dance movement! :bustagut: And does the unicorn know if she's a virgin? He hasn't taken notice of her presence yet, huh? So . . .
 
the bottom girl bothers me , she is pulling her dress out but my eye is drawn to her because the dress looks a little like a folded leg and that she should be sitting which then makes her not blend in to my eye

i think one girl would be enough and maybe even flip the top girl so she is walking towards the unicorn

the unicorns horn is not right either imo
 

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