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Making a submerged in water effect?


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Alistair

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I am going to make a image of a lady, her pupils will be taken out (I'll use the stamp tool to make the colored part of the eye replace the pupil)... and her eyes will be burned. I may put a crackling effect on her, I am not sure. What I am sure of is I want to get an effect going so it looks like she is underwater. This needs to look very realistic... I haven't seen any tutorials for making things look underwater. Its ok for it to have very light ripple waves... But i dont want a ripple like the one under the distort filter.. all I really want to do is know how to make something appear to be submerged in water. Any suggestions? I have tried many various things.. but none worked.

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Have any of you seen the lord of the rings two? (well of coarse you have) (no.. not three... two ;) ) Remember when those bodies are floating underwater.. just under the surface of the water? That's exactly what I want it to be like. And I might possible in the distance have a bright flash of light with a emty rowboat heading towards it.

My intentions are not to make it gothic.. if it ends out gothic.. then I'll get rid of it. I'm trying to base it on one of my favorite band's songs.

The song goes like this:
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RADIOHEAD - Pyramid Song
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i jumped in the river and what did I see?
black-eyed angels swimming with me
a moon full of stars and astral cars
all the figures i used to see
all my lovers were there with me
all my past and futures
and we all went to heaven in a little row boat

there was nothing to fear and nothing to doubt

i jumped in the river
black-eyed angels swimming with me
a moon full of stars and astral cars
all the figures i used to see
all my lovers were there with me
all my past and futures
and we all went to heaven in a little row boat

there was nothing to fear and nothing to doubt
there was nothing to fear and nothing to doubt
there was nothing to fear and nothing to doubt
there was nothing to fear and nothing to doubt
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It's not a bad song... it wouldn't hurt to even download it off of a site and listen to it to just hear what it's like to interpret what the meaning of this piece is and what it's going to look like (or what it should look like). Then you could delete the song... you know.. just so you dont have to buy thier whole cd to listen to one little song wink Big Grin Oh Well


So dont get me wrong... I'm not trying to make it gothic, and I am not trying to incoarage mp3 sharing programs :D :bustagut: :bustagut: :bustagut:

Oh, almost forgot to mention.. lol. I'm also going to try to get stars and a moon to reflect off of the water. I know how to do all of that... I just need to know how to submerge stuff in water

- Alistair
 
No wonder you kids today are in a mess. Why don't you listen to Elvis or Hermans Hermits?...........Just kidding, don't go off on me now!

I know that scene and that is amazingly haunting . Your figures would have some kind of watery greenish cast to it. You would use masks to fade the face in and out. The water was still in those scenes so water ripples would be kept to a minimum. You might use closeups of earth and grass to bring contrast to the water - just in a corner or small part of the pic. Thats a striking scene so there are reproductions of it - I would study them and work on getting it right through trial and error.
Probably not easy but would be impressive if you can do it. Look forward to seeing what you come up with :righton: Ferlin
 
Ferlin said:
No wonder you kids today are in a mess. Why don't you listen to Elvis or Hermans Hermits?...........Just kidding, don't go off on me now!
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:shocked: How dare you diss my music!!! [upset] }:\ (($*%)#^#$(^*(@#$_(^_&%)$*)(#*(^_*)%^#$*)!!!!

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[doh] ... :D :\ :bustagut: :bustagut: :bustagut: :bustagut:
 
Ferlin said:
I know that scene and that is amazingly haunting . Your figures would have some kind of watery greenish cast to it. You would use masks to fade the face in and out. The water was still in those scenes so water ripples would be kept to a minimum. You might use closeups of earth and grass to bring contrast to the water - just in a corner or small part of the pic. Thats a striking scene so there are reproductions of it - I would study them and work on getting it right through trial and error.
Probably not easy but would be impressive if you can do it. Look forward to seeing what you come up with :righton: Ferlin
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Ya, If I can do it. Well, I guess the first thing I need to do is start working on a greenish slimy make right? [excited]
 
Great ideas Ferlin :)

Try a green like normal sea/ grimywater etc like its being lit from a nice day,then add some over cast sky to the whole thing by adding some mid grey mixed with a bit of dark blue in patches.Next try an adj layer and reduce the light amount further.


Under the water everything will probably take on a swirly type effect due to the ripples of the water above.


Also use some gradient to show some light falloff Alistair :)



I might have a go at this actually if you dont mind Alistair :D



Stu.
 
kiwi said:
I might have a go at this actually if you dont mind Alistair :D



Stu.
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Argh, copier... get your own ideas!!! :D :P (And I got the idea from a movie... that I didn't make... :bustagut: :\ ) Sure, go ahead stu... we could compare results. Hey, does anyone have any reference pic that i can use from the real scene of the 2nd lotr movie? I just need to use a couple reference pics just to see what it looks like, how everything is spread, etc. etc. ;) I'll have myself a look now to see if I can't find any pics. I doubt I'll find any [honesty]
 
Ooh this a tough one Alistair,heres why.


First set your time of day.


next your light angle or Sun position.



Next the color of your water.



Surface tension on the water,so you have to work out what area is sticking out of the water and how the water wraps around it creating tension in the area ripples etc.



Then paint your base colors and use color fills with different blend modes to create contrast giving you the effect of light bleed.


Next is detail clouds and sky etc are what gives water color as its basically color less,so the water color will be a combo of the sky color and the depth of the water and what is in it.


Next is details and caustics.



Hope some of that helps,is not repeat not meant to scare you off though ok :D,stick at it you will get it.



In LOTR they used models and put them in pools of water after they had been incredibly well painted though.After that they used Shake {a high end comping program for ani} and added color and effect etc.


There is a piece on the two towers on the extended version DVD on how they did that piece Alistair.



Heres an airbrushed piece of water I made earlier.



Stu.
 
ahh, wat am i kidding.. this piece is crap. I made fog over the water.. there was origionally blue water with beutiful reflective clouds.. but it was to bright.. as i observed in lotr there wasnt much cloud reflection. This piece is ganna be really hard from here on if I want to continue. I bet you it's ganna give me a hard time.
 
Ya but thats the challenge bud :D ,you may only get it looking 50% the way you want,but you can guarantee you will learn heaps from it.
 
Like Stu said: the challenge is huge, but the reward is incredible.
Your work is far from crap. It already shows a very good basic setup: all elements are there, the die is cast, and now comes the transpiration part.

Bring this to an end (and do keep uploading your progress!!!) and it will change your whole view on cg.

:}
 
Allistair also I think youve set things up very nicely. Sometimes if you don't rush yourself and work on something else for awhile the solutions will come to you. I looked through my sons books on Lord of the Rings and could not find one pic of that scene. Go figure }P
Kiwi's water is awesome :righton: :righton:
 
Hope you dont mind bud,I could not work out a better way of showing you without using the image itself ;\



I set the layers to "color" blend mode picked the colors I wanted and painted basically to give you an idea.



The light angle is upper right as well :)



Thanks Ferlin :D You paint your water as if you are looking straight down onto it,then you use transform persepctive and drag the handles out until you get the level you want the water to sit at :),then add touch ups.


Stu.
 
Ahhh!!!!! Sorry kiwi... it's good in one way, but the other its totally not. If I made that what I would do is make a new layer, merge everything onto the layer... duplicate the layer, make duplicated invisable. With visable layer I'd desaturate... and then i would make the other layer visable (make sure its on top of the dessaturated layer).. and set it between 30-50% on opacity. It looks ok, but I personally wanted the feathers as white as the face, and more greys and mysterious dark colours with little hints and touches of green algae.... not everything green.... I've never seen a marsh or swamp or bog look that filled with green slimey stuff. lol


So It's good, but I want to give it a more freaky look, not no color... but not to much color... and I would make the grass look more like a hay color or have it greyscale. I like what your exampled turned out like! I am not dissing what you think it could be like... but thats just not my theme of shades and colours... or at least for this piece ;)
 
Ah ok :)


It was just a quick attempt to show you color blend mode.


Nah I dont like it much either :) {my attempts coloring}


As it was just an example and its your image I will remove it now as you have seen it.
 
kiwi said:
Ah ok :)


It was just a quick attempt to show you color blend mode.


Nah I dont like it much either :) {my attempts coloring}


As it was just an example and its your image I will remove it now as you have seen it.
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that wasnt necessary (removing it). I knew about color mode... I'll get color in later. But what does it need besides color and lighting and that "stuff"?
 
That depends on how realistic you want to make the image Alistair :)


Are you going for water over the face or the water line below about the ear etc?



Its also hard to tell what to add until you start doing some color blocking in etc.
 
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