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Image Copyright & Other Such Things...


Is it really neccessary for me to post Copyright rules and Guidelines?

  • Yes. Rules & Guidelines should be posted concerning the use of copyright material -- specifically on

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No, we understand that it's wrong to post other people's work without their permission. And can regu

    Votes: 2 100.0%
  • Total voters
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theKeeper

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PLEASE READ:

Ok it would appear that you folks have thought this copyright issue out fairly well, and discussed your own views/opinions about the it here. That's good to see.

My views are very much along the same lines as the rest of you, so i'm not going to go into them in any detail now.
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The one thing that i'm not 100% sure about is, whether i personally need to over-moderate (or police) the people who visit and use these forums.
I think that, for the most part, you folks are all old & schooled enough to know when you may or maynot be doing something that is questionable in nature -- such as reposting images that were not created by you, and are not authorized to be reused by anyone but the original creator.

So as for that issue, i will most likely NOT be following every member of these forums around watching their every action. I WILL though keep an eye out for extreme &/or highly unusual situations -- whereby, i WILL take whatever actions are deemed neccessary at the time. But i don't think this will have to be something i should be too concerned about. We have a great community of decent people here. And i trust every one of them to "do the right thing".
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Do i really NEED to post this type of thing as a "guideline" or "set of rules" to be obeyed when using the boards?! I don't know... you guys tell me?!
Personally?... i don't feel it's neccessary. But, for the sake of all who belong to this great graphics community, i'll go with the majority vote on this one.

Just post your vote/decision about it.
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Thanks for reading this folks.

Mark (aka theKeeper)...
 
I voted yes for the following reason:
People that knowingly do such things will never change while those that unknowingly do it need to learn the rules somewhere. This is a place for all to come and share and learn together so why not include the concept of intellectual property rights. Remember, the concept is not universal in the real world. I hear they are selling copies of Photoshop in China for about $3. Just my two cents, now if I post another 149 times I won't have enough for new version.[honesty]
 
I vote yes. I think that a set of groundrules gives the place a basic foundation that everyone can reference. Also I think it helps others that might be concerned about a post, know where you stand on things. That way they can just ref part of your post when a situation comes up and it's no bad on them.

Greg
 
Ok, very good stuff there fellas, thx.

Even though the poll shows a strong lean toward folks believing they can 'police' themselves, i'll get started on writing this up.

Greg actually brought up a good point that i hadn't fully considered... how new users would view MY standpoint on this, and other 'public' issues. And if having a written page stating a few ground rules will make folks feel more at ease about posting things to any of the boards, then that's not a big deal for me to do for them -- and myself.

Thanks to everyone that took part in this. It's helped.

Look for this page to be posted soon. And the link to it put either at the top with the other blue buttons, or as a text link at the bottom of every page.

The link will be titled: "Forum Guidelines", or maybe "Groundrules". Not sure yet.
 
I repeat myself at the risk of being crude: why use images created by others? Start from scratch and make something yourself.
They are giving Poser3 for free with Digit Magazine and with ComputerArts.
OK, you still have to buy the mag.
And on the PS6 CDROM you find images enough to play with if you have no scanner...ahhh a new tip. Over to the cutie forum...
 
Mark
While we are on the subject of copywrites and rules of order for the board, I need to ask a question that has been on my mind.
Lateley some of us have been using models created in Poser for practice in making clothes and puting people into PS settings. I think that this is fun, creative and an overall learning expeireince.
My question arises because for the most part we start with nude models. I know they are comp generated and not real people, however, the Poser sites and Galleries that I have visited always give a warning to the areas where there is nudity, whether it is comp generated or photo generated.
I am wondering, because we do have some younger people on the board if we should do the same thing?
Please let me (us) know what policy you would like to see regarding nudity in our creations.
I for one believe that art is art, but I am not sure of others opinions.
This is just a thought and maybe should be mentioned in your upcoming guidelines.

Rick's thought for the day
 
Hey i have nothing against "art for art sakes"... but i'll always believe that nudity is nudity... doesn't matter what "form" it takes, it can still have the same impact whether comp generated or real. So in this issue, safer is better i think.

My view on this kind of thing is YES, please post a "Cautionary Warning" to viewers that a thread contains nudity. It doesn't have to be real complicated either... a simple "Contains Nudity" will suffice.

Thanks for bring that up.
That will also be included in the "Forum Guidelines".
 
I fully respect your decision, Mark, but, permit me to say that personally I find that there is a difference between a copyright and a morality question. Perhaps over here we're less puritan. Probably that's why we don't have a pornography industry like the one of the country that finds ugly meanings in natural shapes...and that infects the world with the most vile language in their movies, language that when it is written must be changed into f..k and "darned" etc.
Respect eachothers' feelings ok, but I don't give a thing for puritans and hypocrits. On the other hand: I visit Renderosity regularly, but mostly for some great artists who post there, and most of the crap and publicity I simply ignore.
And I do not intend to show any nudity or violence or whatever here.
But don't forget that there may also be visitors who object against every representation of the living form (like Muslims), visitors whose religion forbids them to look at anything surreal or extra-terrestrian or having a subject from another that Christian Mythology, etc etc etc.
Give them one finger, and they take over your entire body. And the rest.

I have said, but I 100% back up your decision.
 
Well thanks Erik, for all that.

I don't neccessarily disagree with your viewpoints and that stuff... but in all actuallity, my 'personal' views, and yours, and anyone else's... carry very little, if no weight in a matter such as this, in which the "general public" at large are involved. At least, not to my mind.

I am specifically requesting we "all" try to do this as merely a "show of good faith" to help cover/protect all groups of different peoples that may visit this community, or at least TRY to anyway. This is not a philisophical question/debate in any way on this subject matter. It's just something i would feel better about for all concerned.
Especially also because i, above anyone else, KNOW what the general ages are of my visitors. I wouldn't expect anyone else to know or be able to act on this information, but that's not an issue here anyway.

So... thanks for the views on this, and it's good to see where you really stand. And i think you can probably look just to the side a bit, and see me standing fairly close to you on this too. ;)
 
Hi guys and gals...

The copyright rules are a great idea and should/could be posted as part of the signup agreement IMHO...though some extra information on this subject posted as supplement info is always better than not... ( copyright stuff really should be no brainer stuff, but it is usually good and wise to be clear on matters beforehand :) )
:righton:

Also there could be a part on not discussing pricing for projects etc. ( price fixing is frowned upon )

Keeping politics and religion discussions for peer to peer e-mailing and off the boards completely is also a very good practice... remember what your parents told ya all about the things one never talks about... :D

Morality issues re- art? I believe the solution Mark has put in place re-notice of nudity is a very proper move for any and all parties concerned...we are talking generic art forms here, not smut ridden blablabla...right? Besides with the flag up for nudity people either read it and stay away meaning it is redlight/stop, and or they read it as green light/go and check it out...it is after all, only art....what? only art? It's a masterpiece I tell ya...only art...hmhh.. :bustagut:
 
On the subject of copyright-
Being from the ASIAN REGION, I do come across a lot of pirated material, be it software or art. And with the amount of art that goes into the internet, that's a hell of a hunting ground. Doesn't the internet technology of FREE, DOWNLOAD, COPY OR SAVE AS make you worry of the fate of your work? That's why I'm very hesitant posting work in forum galleries and groups, not that I do not trust its members but as I said, there are the "business minded people" lurking for a hunt. But what to do? As artists, you and I want to share our work for others in the world to appreciate. HOW I WISH THERE WHERE AN INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDER OR ORGANIZATION WHO COULD MONITOR OR TRACE COPYRIGHT MATERIAL USED FROM THE NET.

On morality-
In my country of residence which has numerous faiths, religion can be a very delicate and sometimes awkward matter. As example - it is mandatory for all restaurants here to put up signboards in their premises informing that the place serves pork - Why? Certain religions do not accept pork. Conversely, you or I may see nudity or even the devil as art, but for others here, its blasphemy. I agree Mark, the guidelines act as a safeguard. It's not a matter of decency or maturity. It's a matter of an individual's perception due to extremes inherent in every culture and belief. Your page can be viewed from anywhere by anyone. It's layout is enough to rouse one's curiousity. But if not primed or forewarned of what he is about to see or experience could be a rude awakening. You may get labeled as an immoral web site. Sad, but it's the law of races at work.

I vote yes.
 
That's good info dv8, thanks for sharing/informing/educating that with us.

As to you wanting to know if a company exists that can trace copyright materil over the net... well, there is one, and it comes built into every version of Photoshop since 4 i think.

It's the "Digimarc" watermarking system.
The one they give free with PS is a very basic system, but it works for simple copyright stamping, and it's free.
They DO however offer, for a small fee, the ability for you to REALLY copyright your images, and they have a "Spider" that crawls the Web and will find every image/photo made & stamped by you (using their plugin), that is being used on any Web sites out here.

Check it out more if this interests you at all: www.digimarc.com/products.htm
 
Dang, its been under my nose all this while. OK, I know Digi adds a digital stamp to your work but I didn't know there were other services available. That's what I get for being Jhonny come lately to the digital world. Thanks, Keeper.:righton:
 
Its also a good idea not to have hi res work on your web site as some of the top 3d gurus recently experienced.There work started turning up on boxes for graphics cards which were distributed all over the world,only problem they knew nothing about it .There images in hi res had been taken from their sites and printed onto the boxes.So they no longer have hi res images on their sites.The good thing was that it was all sorted out through legal channels and the artists/3d gurus actually came out with a pretty good undisclosed settlement :)


If you really do not want people re using your work then optimize at a setting low enough to be useless for an art theif but high enough for others to view :) ........just my 2 cents .


Stu.
 
For those who don't know: highres on the web means only the file size. And, I admit, an acceptable quality setting of the jpg.

That's what halts me for uploading bigger images to my site too...
I have found out more than once that images of my works were displayed on sites without my knowing. I always wrote these people an email saying that I found them bloody idiots as they could've asked me first. Then suddenly they start to apologise...

BUT there are also other contacts. One is with someone who became a friend of mine, known as LittleRed at Renderosity.
She posered some of my works with my permission and encouragement (she's great with her Divine Comedy works!!!) and the results are baffling.

On the other hand: a question. Andy Warhol did some "paintings" on Campbell soup. Is this ok or not? I'm not talking about the artistic level of this kind of thing, but about the simple down to earth copyright business.

And I'm always glad that some of my favourite artists upload a bigger work because it allows me to print it out for myself at a reasonable quality.
So...???????????????????????????
 
Hmmm I would say Warhol made Campbells soup famous :) ,so there would be Campbells pay off not to take action.



Personally I dont mind if someone has an image of mine which prints out exceedingly well,but I do mind if they try to sell it or use it in a commercial manner without my permission..



Its a really hard one Erik :)



Stu.
 
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