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Thanks, yeah typing actual text along the curve is one thing but the trick here is I'm working with a logo that does have text but also has another shape graphic within. I suppose one method of doing this if need be is to replicate the text part of the logo using actual text (it's one of the Helvetica fonts at least) and manually manipulate the other portion of the graphic.. for now I kinda fudged it with the manual warp but I'm definitely interested to learn any easier ways to do this, lol. Maybe it requires converting the logo into a shape or something.