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Adobe ditching Creative Suite for Creative Cloud
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iDad
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Good point.
When I had creative cloud, Each time I used one of the programs within it, I felt like I was being spyed on, sounds dumb but I felt the level of trust with Adobe shrinking... Probably no reason to worry but the feeling was there. Whether it makes sense or not you can decide.
When I had creative cloud, Each time I used one of the programs within it, I felt like I was being spyed on, sounds dumb but I felt the level of trust with Adobe shrinking... Probably no reason to worry but the feeling was there. Whether it makes sense or not you can decide.
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I posted in this link yesterday, and I found this new link today, and now I am confused
http://www.photoshopgurus.com/forum...photoshop-cc-new-features.html#post1533641828
AHHH now I see..This will either make $$$$ for Adobe, or cause PS to fall by the wayside....here:
Photoshop CC will deliver many new features, including capabilities in sharpening, upsampling and reducing blur, improvements to designer tools, and much more.
The biggest news though is Adobe’s moving Photoshop 100% into the Cloud and 100% by subscription. You’ll still be able to purchase Photoshop CS6 for the time being, but it won’t have the new features available in CC.
Pricing starts at $49.99 a month per person for individuals (This includes all of Adobe’s applications). Existing Creative Suite customers, students, and teachers will get a discount to $29.99 a month.
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, sans-serif]I like the new ACR.....but you are going to rent adobe @$30. x 12 = MORE THAN I PAID FOR CS5 or worse, be new and $50 x 24 = $1200.00 and I don't OWN MY COPY ?? [/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, sans-serif]I suspect this will create an uproar ?? time will tell ......[/FONT]
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A member over at Topaz, has a valid point what about plug-ins how will they access the cloud this could be some serious bad news for plug-in programs I haven't seen that problem addressed anywhere yet...........hmmm could be a bigger uproar than first thought!
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I'll be getting CC versions ! They don't require an active internet connection at all the time just after 30 days to check the license. I usually work in Photoshop, Premiere, After Effects, Dreamweaver and Flash so I'll be buying the whole bundle. Here's a FAQ section on adobe's website regarding CC :
http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.html
http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.html
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Has its Pros and Cons I believe it will cut down on piracy but not because it will be harder to pirate but more because people can afford monthly payments rather than getting a 1 off fee license. But I believe it will leave people behind who maybe have a small business with 5 or less people as they wont be able to afford or maybe justify paying the amount per month to have a valid licence,
Scenario a You have a successful design studio you have staff on board and make 30k a month Then yes you will welcome the cloud.
Scenario b You are an independant freelance creative artist maybe use 1 main app but also will use another app meaning you will need a full creative suite version only an extra $20 between 1 suite and all of them. Means you have to increase your prices per job to factor in the cost of the monthly subscription which will now have to be owned forever if you want updated products. Now means you will price yourself out of the job because there are many so called companies on the web who can offer it much cheaper and possibly have pirated software. (trust me this happens) Where as before you spent the money on the suite you needed and could afford to not charge huge amounts extra per job because lets face it there was no need to update your software every year you could still keep up with buying an update every 3 years. This line of work is getting harder for smaller people as there are many 1 click website builders etc and smaller people/business dont need to outsource the work to professionals as they can pay for a premade website etc for $5 a month.
Scenario c This is a hobby for you like many members on here you have battled to save up for a new version of photoshop some of you are still using photoshop legacy (the now free version of creative suite cs2 ) You pay $25 a month for your lynda.com courses so you can learn and now your expected to pay $50 a month so you can have the software to follow along. You cant afford a decent computer and make do with what you have but are these people really going to be paying close to $100 a month just to have a hobby and maybe get the odd $10 freelance job. You have to be kidding yourselfs if you really dont believe this is about the more money adobe can make.
Unless my Work really takes a change in direction I wont be updating to it. all though I am a strong believer in you have to spend money to make money and if you are making money from using other peoples products then fair enough you should buy the software you need with appropriate licensing.
This will prevent the young people from wanting to learn and if they cant get the student package there is no way you are getting them to pay full price or their parents to do it for them.
It would be different if you had the cc and say every 18 months you got to download a fully licensed version that didnt need to be activated before you could use it essentialy rent the software you use and pay it off in instalments but at the end you actually had something you own. But there does not seem to be that option so say you subscribe paying $75 a month which I think the full suite is for 3 years you pay $2700 in total you loose your job and cant afford to subscribe anymore. It is not easy to get a new job in this field so you decide to go freelance oh wait a miniute you cant afford to subscribe to the software your use too etc. Just doesnt seem fair.
Adobe are aiming for bigger businesses with this so they can keep track of everything it has its perks though they know what the people use most so they develop more in that area.
Then there is scenario d The people who have never paid for adobe products and most likely quite clever people kn own as hackers they will flood the internet so that people can use the cc for free and make the pirated version problem the same as it is now. Lets face it a quick call to the adobe server to authenticate your license fair enough to the untrained person yeah that would be enough to stop you from pirating latest releases etc. But I am guessing it wont be long until someone has discovered the address your computer communicates with and creates a new mini server hosted locally or a script file that blocks the communication and auto sends an authenticated message back to the application
If adobe dont want to kill long time supporters who do not make thousnads of $$$ each year from there products They need to have more subscriptions available to people who wont mind spending 15 - 30 dollars a month or the people will turn to pirated versions and risk getting conned there will be services out there offering hugely discounted versions That re route the traffic to there own server people will think they will have a license but they wont etc.
Adobe products are leading edge there is no alternatives to them that offer the same But I bet you people will be willing to make a sacrifice and will turn to cheaper alternatives or open source projects because they will learn to deal with taking that extra step to achieve the same thing or happy to sacrifice the pretty interface adobe offers above over cheaper alternatives.
It has happened with microsoft offering the new office equivalent to cc people are not updating as often and it has been pirated more than ever now.
The internet has made things like pirating easier then ever before so are the major companies really prepared to put everything into the 1 source that will in turn be used against them.
I still stand by my original comment to a lot of people it is offering a way for people to own the software legally who maybe before couldnt afford to buy it out right but sooner or later people will realise what are they getting from a product that at the end of the day they will never own.
I guess if your a person that leases your car rents your house and are now willing to rent your software but sooner or later you will find yourself out of work or retired and can no longer afford these monthly bills and will have to give it all up goodbye house goodbye car goodbye hobby last time I checked adobe products are not an essential living expense so I highly doubt if you become really poor your government will support it and pay for it monthly for you. Where as now IF you are unemployed and looking to start your own business They will buy the software you need for you (In the UK anyway) Not sure that will cover a subscription though
Ok rant over but to sum up I am 70-30 % against it unless they offer more options.
Scenario a You have a successful design studio you have staff on board and make 30k a month Then yes you will welcome the cloud.
Scenario b You are an independant freelance creative artist maybe use 1 main app but also will use another app meaning you will need a full creative suite version only an extra $20 between 1 suite and all of them. Means you have to increase your prices per job to factor in the cost of the monthly subscription which will now have to be owned forever if you want updated products. Now means you will price yourself out of the job because there are many so called companies on the web who can offer it much cheaper and possibly have pirated software. (trust me this happens) Where as before you spent the money on the suite you needed and could afford to not charge huge amounts extra per job because lets face it there was no need to update your software every year you could still keep up with buying an update every 3 years. This line of work is getting harder for smaller people as there are many 1 click website builders etc and smaller people/business dont need to outsource the work to professionals as they can pay for a premade website etc for $5 a month.
Scenario c This is a hobby for you like many members on here you have battled to save up for a new version of photoshop some of you are still using photoshop legacy (the now free version of creative suite cs2 ) You pay $25 a month for your lynda.com courses so you can learn and now your expected to pay $50 a month so you can have the software to follow along. You cant afford a decent computer and make do with what you have but are these people really going to be paying close to $100 a month just to have a hobby and maybe get the odd $10 freelance job. You have to be kidding yourselfs if you really dont believe this is about the more money adobe can make.
Unless my Work really takes a change in direction I wont be updating to it. all though I am a strong believer in you have to spend money to make money and if you are making money from using other peoples products then fair enough you should buy the software you need with appropriate licensing.
This will prevent the young people from wanting to learn and if they cant get the student package there is no way you are getting them to pay full price or their parents to do it for them.
It would be different if you had the cc and say every 18 months you got to download a fully licensed version that didnt need to be activated before you could use it essentialy rent the software you use and pay it off in instalments but at the end you actually had something you own. But there does not seem to be that option so say you subscribe paying $75 a month which I think the full suite is for 3 years you pay $2700 in total you loose your job and cant afford to subscribe anymore. It is not easy to get a new job in this field so you decide to go freelance oh wait a miniute you cant afford to subscribe to the software your use too etc. Just doesnt seem fair.
Adobe are aiming for bigger businesses with this so they can keep track of everything it has its perks though they know what the people use most so they develop more in that area.
Then there is scenario d The people who have never paid for adobe products and most likely quite clever people kn own as hackers they will flood the internet so that people can use the cc for free and make the pirated version problem the same as it is now. Lets face it a quick call to the adobe server to authenticate your license fair enough to the untrained person yeah that would be enough to stop you from pirating latest releases etc. But I am guessing it wont be long until someone has discovered the address your computer communicates with and creates a new mini server hosted locally or a script file that blocks the communication and auto sends an authenticated message back to the application
If adobe dont want to kill long time supporters who do not make thousnads of $$$ each year from there products They need to have more subscriptions available to people who wont mind spending 15 - 30 dollars a month or the people will turn to pirated versions and risk getting conned there will be services out there offering hugely discounted versions That re route the traffic to there own server people will think they will have a license but they wont etc.
Adobe products are leading edge there is no alternatives to them that offer the same But I bet you people will be willing to make a sacrifice and will turn to cheaper alternatives or open source projects because they will learn to deal with taking that extra step to achieve the same thing or happy to sacrifice the pretty interface adobe offers above over cheaper alternatives.
It has happened with microsoft offering the new office equivalent to cc people are not updating as often and it has been pirated more than ever now.
The internet has made things like pirating easier then ever before so are the major companies really prepared to put everything into the 1 source that will in turn be used against them.
I still stand by my original comment to a lot of people it is offering a way for people to own the software legally who maybe before couldnt afford to buy it out right but sooner or later people will realise what are they getting from a product that at the end of the day they will never own.
I guess if your a person that leases your car rents your house and are now willing to rent your software but sooner or later you will find yourself out of work or retired and can no longer afford these monthly bills and will have to give it all up goodbye house goodbye car goodbye hobby last time I checked adobe products are not an essential living expense so I highly doubt if you become really poor your government will support it and pay for it monthly for you. Where as now IF you are unemployed and looking to start your own business They will buy the software you need for you (In the UK anyway) Not sure that will cover a subscription though
Ok rant over but to sum up I am 70-30 % against it unless they offer more options.
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One word description.... SICKENING.
You pay for the subscription but you don't own the program. If I would pay for a year's subscription, it comes out to costing more than the Current CS. I'm better off staying with CS4 or CS6 if I decide to upgrade (which I was planning to do). I often times simply use PS7 to get my design jobs done.... PHOTOSHOP 7 - take note .... lol ....
I've never used most or any of the advanced CS features in my day to day work. I don't use Content Aware Fill or even the advanced warp tool of CS6 in creating brochures, leaflets , Annual Reports or Advertising signage. I rarely use adobe to create logos.
Makes no difference if I stay with PS or CS...... But CC ? I dunno.....
What if I miss out on a payment? I can't use the program? And have to wait till my payment reaches them so I can use it? That equates to Lost Work Time - Lost Money.
I agree that if you own a big design studio, it may not be a problem. But for freelancers or small studios, it may not feasible to own a subscription. This means you have to raise your price to cover extra expenses. Not good if you're competing with big firms who could keep costs down because of the amount of business they bring in for themselves.
Hobbyists and those who create stunning image manips ( Like Cindy, for instance) will be affected by this. So too will freelance Web designers who rarely use Photoshop to do work. They sub the image work to other freelance graphic designers who may in turn have to charge higher rates.
I foresee adobe's move to snowball into something ugly. Not only in terms of business but software PIRACY as well..........
:banghead: :flamethro:
You pay for the subscription but you don't own the program. If I would pay for a year's subscription, it comes out to costing more than the Current CS. I'm better off staying with CS4 or CS6 if I decide to upgrade (which I was planning to do). I often times simply use PS7 to get my design jobs done.... PHOTOSHOP 7 - take note .... lol ....
I've never used most or any of the advanced CS features in my day to day work. I don't use Content Aware Fill or even the advanced warp tool of CS6 in creating brochures, leaflets , Annual Reports or Advertising signage. I rarely use adobe to create logos.
Makes no difference if I stay with PS or CS...... But CC ? I dunno.....
What if I miss out on a payment? I can't use the program? And have to wait till my payment reaches them so I can use it? That equates to Lost Work Time - Lost Money.
I agree that if you own a big design studio, it may not be a problem. But for freelancers or small studios, it may not feasible to own a subscription. This means you have to raise your price to cover extra expenses. Not good if you're competing with big firms who could keep costs down because of the amount of business they bring in for themselves.
Hobbyists and those who create stunning image manips ( Like Cindy, for instance) will be affected by this. So too will freelance Web designers who rarely use Photoshop to do work. They sub the image work to other freelance graphic designers who may in turn have to charge higher rates.
I foresee adobe's move to snowball into something ugly. Not only in terms of business but software PIRACY as well..........
:banghead: :flamethro:
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$50.00 a month certainly won't break the bank but renting instead of owning certainly turns me off.
As if Adobe doesn't make enough money! .... Actually I just had a thought, Maybe the globe is getting saturated with computers and the same things happening with the programs Adobe puts out. Most people that need the programs, Already have them, So it's just updates that doesn't make much money. This way they're guaranteed a monthly projected income It's all about the money SHOW ME THE MONEY!
As if Adobe doesn't make enough money! .... Actually I just had a thought, Maybe the globe is getting saturated with computers and the same things happening with the programs Adobe puts out. Most people that need the programs, Already have them, So it's just updates that doesn't make much money. This way they're guaranteed a monthly projected income It's all about the money SHOW ME THE MONEY!
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Well maybe this has opened up the market for a better rival I am not saying anything factual here but just going on a hunch
cc gets announced and released
Google buys Nik Software
Google being a Giant in everything it chooses to participate in
Google owns Youtube
Google trying to enhance youtube to make it be more tv experience like and will be launching teaching channels in every subject pretty much soon.
Google got turned down trying to buy lynda.com
One has to ask is Google going to release their own version or at least a competeive product cant see why else they would want the Nik software suite not really a huge profit maker for them and it has sort of been abandoned. Keep your eyes out for Google Photo
I say this because Google has been a bit rebelious lately to american internet providers they call them lazy and purposefully holding back the development of the internet charging over priced for low speed internet when they can be reducing that cost and providing a better service. So Google 1g was launched internet provider providing 1gb download speed and 1 gb upload speeds
Spending 26 billion dollars cabling major parts of America. And selling the service quite cheap.
Why are they doing this
Well simply put they are doing it to make the likes of aol fox etc to stop holding the internet back for profit. it all links back to cable tv and the internet making it possible to stream shows when you want etc meaning no one will buy cable tv packages anymore huge money loss all the major isps are owned by tv companies in someway they control the internet and market they control a lot.
So Google made this dream internet available who want to use youtube as tv imagine the likes of aol or time warner surviving if they dont offer the same. Google have already said they dont care if they loose money from it they still make their profit they just want technology to catch up.
They have done this with Browsers in the past the only reason google chrome exsists is because they wanted to make microsoft and firefox and any other browser maker develop the software better to be used with the technology. Things like silverlight and better browser from microsoft are now actually usable because Google made chrome microsoft put more into the development of their browser so did firefox.
I really do see Google as being the next big market leader to replace photoshop to people on a budget and I think Google will aim for those customers.
The big time designers etc wont change from adobe they are use to it and dont want to start again but I can see the likes of many people on here making the step to a well funded alternative
cc gets announced and released
Google buys Nik Software
Google being a Giant in everything it chooses to participate in
Google owns Youtube
Google trying to enhance youtube to make it be more tv experience like and will be launching teaching channels in every subject pretty much soon.
Google got turned down trying to buy lynda.com
One has to ask is Google going to release their own version or at least a competeive product cant see why else they would want the Nik software suite not really a huge profit maker for them and it has sort of been abandoned. Keep your eyes out for Google Photo
I say this because Google has been a bit rebelious lately to american internet providers they call them lazy and purposefully holding back the development of the internet charging over priced for low speed internet when they can be reducing that cost and providing a better service. So Google 1g was launched internet provider providing 1gb download speed and 1 gb upload speeds
Spending 26 billion dollars cabling major parts of America. And selling the service quite cheap.
Why are they doing this
Well simply put they are doing it to make the likes of aol fox etc to stop holding the internet back for profit. it all links back to cable tv and the internet making it possible to stream shows when you want etc meaning no one will buy cable tv packages anymore huge money loss all the major isps are owned by tv companies in someway they control the internet and market they control a lot.
So Google made this dream internet available who want to use youtube as tv imagine the likes of aol or time warner surviving if they dont offer the same. Google have already said they dont care if they loose money from it they still make their profit they just want technology to catch up.
They have done this with Browsers in the past the only reason google chrome exsists is because they wanted to make microsoft and firefox and any other browser maker develop the software better to be used with the technology. Things like silverlight and better browser from microsoft are now actually usable because Google made chrome microsoft put more into the development of their browser so did firefox.
I really do see Google as being the next big market leader to replace photoshop to people on a budget and I think Google will aim for those customers.
The big time designers etc wont change from adobe they are use to it and dont want to start again but I can see the likes of many people on here making the step to a well funded alternative
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oooh a cheaper way of getting the cloud which I am not endorsing here and not fully sure if you are technically allowed to do this but you can legally have the product installed on 2 machines at the same time. So with a bit of thinking and I am sure many people will be doing this is get a friend to pay half the cost of the subscription it will need to be someone you trust so say dv8 takes out a subscription and Steve pays him half the subscription cost they can both sign in to the same account.
I am sure somewhere in the T&C's this is not allowed but yet I also cant see why they have let you have it active on 2 computers at the same time originally thought you could only run it on 1 computer at a time and had to sign out to use it on another computer.
Maybe adobe have calculated this into the cost for the smaller time people which makes it a lot more affordable.
I am sure somewhere in the T&C's this is not allowed but yet I also cant see why they have let you have it active on 2 computers at the same time originally thought you could only run it on 1 computer at a time and had to sign out to use it on another computer.
Maybe adobe have calculated this into the cost for the smaller time people which makes it a lot more affordable.
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I don't think this will work with the cloud, As there is no software on your machine, you work from adobe's servers??
I know with CS5.5 you are correct....I had it on laptop and tower....ditched the laptop when I discovered what RAM is for....4 is not enough!
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Hmmmm .... now there's an idea......
STEEEEEEEEEVE....."about your subscription, ...... "
Limited to 2 or 20?
The DV8 group of 10... $2.50 each..... pass the hat guys.....
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Mike from what I was told by an Adobe customer service rep the software will still be located on your computer. It will connect to the Adobe servers every 30 days to check validate the license. Other than that you will not have to be connected to the Adobe servers (or even online) at all
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Well thats good..for now...BUT what will the future be, renting ??? Sounds like Cable TV......"no commercials!!!".......yeah...in '83