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100% black in Illustrator now 80% or so in Photoshop


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Any clue as to why when I bring in an Illustrator 10 (OS 9) ai or eps format vector map in through Photohop 7, the 100% blacks become approx 70-80% black? I deleted all preferences in photoshop, but I can't for the life of me figure out why this is suddenly happening.

Tanya [confused]
 
Hi Tanya, you called for an octopus?

Check your Photoshop colour settings and make sure that the 'Black Point Compensation' button is unchecked.

Under the Advanced Controls (same window) make sure that the Desaturate Monitor colours is unchecked as well.

Are you working in RGB or CMYK in Illustrator?

What other settings have you got in Color Management prefs regarding profiles?

Al.
 
Thanks, Al

I've been soo involved with so many projects not to mention renovations in our new office and work...I completely forgot about this!

Pickled octopus is delish! :D

Thanks for the heads up.. I'll definitely check that tomorrow!

Tanya
 
vector map in illustrator to Photoshop

Al:
I envy you OS 10; I'll be using OS9 for some time to come in our office.

my map was made cmyk in Illustrator (10), black cmyk: 0 0 0 100

I went into Photoshop and unchecked the Black Point Compensation' button. My Black Point Compensation' button was unchecked.

When I reopened Photoshop (7) and opened the file through PS7, the cmyk: was 18 14 15 95.

Your question: What other settings have you got in Color Management prefs regarding profiles? Did you mean PS7, Al?
If so, here's a Snapz of my settings and assuming my jpeg of 424K from Snapz Pro 2 works.... let's see.
 
ILUS to PS7 blacks

Al:
I double posted about the compensation being unchecked. I also meant to say my Desaturate monitor was unchecked as well.

I wasn't able to post the Snapz of my color settings last time, so I'll try again.
Tanya
 
Hi Tanya,

I see that you have relative colorimetric checked...this means that the white point of the source profile is brought to the destination profile, and that all other values are adapted so that the relative "distances" between the hues are kept, and that all colours that fall outside the gamut are clipped. Perhaps this has some influence on your problem?

As for the BlackPoint compensation, I tend to partially disagree with Al (how dare I!! grin). Leave it unchecked when you move from one RGB space to another (for example sRGB to Adobe RGB) but leave it on when you move between CMYK profiles, or go from RGB to CMYK as K is usually not set at full black.
What it does is compare blackpoints of both source and destination, and set the black in the destination accordingly so that it won't become dark grey. Yet, it does have its limitations, as said above.
 
Tanya, the only way I could get anything near your problem is in the Illustrator file setting.

Check: File > Document Mode > CMYK. (Not RGB)

I think that you have the Illustrator file set as RGB and the problem is with the RGB > CMYK conversion. (I got 63,52,51,95 on one profile)

You can still have the colour sliders showing CMYK but the document can be in RGB.

I tried just about every profile combination in both Illustrator and Photoshop and always got 100% K when opened in Photoshop.
Even tried it under OS 9 and got the same result. (.ai, .pdf, .eps)



Erik, feel free to disagree, everyone else does! ;)

Al.
 
Unfortunately, I don't have Illustrator, but that should react like Photoshop itself, shouldn't it?

Anyways: hope this gets solved, and that I am wrong. That way I can learn something new, which is always a pleasure.
:righton:
 
Hit me, hit me...%}

Or go with me to chase some orcs... [slick]

BTW:I posted some info on free" HDRI" poser files in the Poser thread. I suppose Bryce can open Poser files, can't it?
 
mystery continues

Erik/Al: I checked the Illustrator file; it's cmyk and when opened up in Photoshop 7, I bring it in as cmyk and the file mode shows cmyk, so I believe we're still talking apples and not apples and oranges. I've checked and unchecked the BlackPoint compensation when opening the file - no difference. I still keep getting the black coming in as dark grey. grrrr

SSSssooooo.. I went to the next step about: relative colorimetric. (something I know nothing about but about to learn I think)

If I understand correctly, I need to change the relative colorimetric to..and this is where I'm not sure of choices; it gives me 3 others: Perceptual, saturation and absolute colorimetric. I'm thinking you meant for me to choose absolute, so I did. Now I have a different grey but still grey }P Any other ideas?.. Al. I think someone owes someone a Guiness - can I have one too?? [excited] I think I'll keep trying the two other choices.
Tanya
 
Ooookay! I see this is going to be another epic adventure.
Just when I had a big durty Uruk-Hai in the sights of my Elvish double barrel plazma bazooka.

Points to check. (In Illustrator)

1. Which colour palette are you using? Default CMYK, Pantone, Mac Standard?
Look under Window > Swatch Libraries > da-dum de-dum.
Please make sure you do not have the Windows Standard selected as this gives RGB (0,0,0) = CMYK (62.75, 52.16, 50.98, 100) and will possibly screw up depending on your colour management settings.

You want only a 0.0.0.100 for the Black.

2. In Photoshop.
What have you got under:
View > Proof Set-up > ?
Do you have View > Proof Colours active?
What are the profile mismatch settings?

Now, back onto the trail of them Yrchs. (Elvish spelling) :B :bustagut:

Cheers Al.
 
saga continues

AL:
Well.. I've had a chance today to check a few things and put them together to answer your questions. I think I did. I know I don't have the right settings somehow, but I just don't know at the moment - how to.

Thanks so much for your continuing help.

Tanya
 
PS7 and Illus. 10 settings for the map

oooops I added the wrong pic.. here's the one I made to answer!

My Illustrator appears to have the right colors however inthe trip into Photoshop - that's where the black suffers.

aaaiee this isn't so easy mingling the two.

Tanya
 
2. In Photoshop.
What have you got under:
View > Proof Set-up > ?
Do you have View > Proof Colours active?
What are the profile mismatch settings?
Click to expand...

Thanks again, Al...
My answer to Proof setup is Working CMYK, I've now made Proof colours active, however I don't know how to answer or where to get "profile mismatch settings"

Tanya
 
Sorry Tanya, I should have said: (Photoshop)

Photoshop > Colour Settings > Colour Management Policies.

Make sure that Preserve Embedded Profiles is the option for RGB, CMYK & Grey profiles.

Let's try another thing, just to narrow the options a tad.
Could you e-mail me a sample Illustrator file. Link is in my personal profile. Just a selection of squares using the mystery black and embed your default profile.
(Feel free to bung in a couple of other colours and circles just to make it interesting)

Fill and Stroke, Fill only, Stroke only & a Black to White graduated fill.

This could narrow the search down by 50%.

Ever onward, however slowly. :bustagut: 8))

Al.
 
it worked

Before going through emails and such, I made sure that the changes I've made to both Illustrator and Photoshop were still experiencing the same problems.

Al... it's magic so it is..... but it worked. The files now come in as cmyk: 0 0 0 100 !!

8)) My hat is of to YOU, Al *s thanks so very much.

Tanya
 
So tell us the punchline. %} %} What was the specific setting that caused the problem?

Al.
 
Settings

In photoshop, I had the incorrect choice made. I did some reading and when seeing this did the old "duhhh - why didn't I think of that!"

In the Photoshop Color Settings, I chose the US Prepress settings. Combined with your help and this. Now I get the 0-0-0-100 CMYK when I open up the Illustrator 10 map into PS7.

It's the little things in life and lordy how many there are!

Tanya
 
He! He! Just think how boring life would be without these little trials and tribulations.

Glad you have got it sorted anyway. I was starting to think that I had finally lost the plot. [confused] :bustagut:

Cheers, Al.
 
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